Meanwhile Kessinger thought the marriage was over. And Leonard King said the same thing that it was virtually impossible to engage her in conversation. How old was he? In an effort to avoid the death sentence, he had pled guilty on Nov. 6, 2018 to killing his pregnant 34-year-old wife Shanann Watts, and their daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, not quite three months earlier.And the five life sentences that would be handed down weeks laterplus additional time for the murder of his unborn son . I believe he didnt divorce her earlier because he needed to find someone else to take her place. She would also get child support but its based on income and its possible, only possible, she was making more than he was. Just Published! The word divorce comes up 35 times in the Discovery Documents and just once in the CBI Report. Likely when Chris did the same thing to her she may have had some insight into herself, that this is what happened with Leonard, which caused her to try her hardest to get Chris to talk to her. Shanann Watts appeared to be fighting for her marriage up until she was murdered by her husband Chris Watts.. Just a couple of weeks after the first trailer for American Murder: The Family Next . I like nice things and having nice experiences. Cans Natz. Shanann Watts' First Marriage The opening 10 minutes of American Murder features social media footage of Shanann explaining her life story. Tammy Lee, an investigator in the case, conducted the . lts only one way emotions and feelings. But one day she starts seeing subtle changes, then more physical changes, and a more assured and arrogant Chris started to emerge, she knew the marriage was definitely in trouble before she got pregnant. Theres also the reality check that she might not have been able to leave the state if Chris filed for joint custody. The thousands in shoes, clothes, purses etc. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW, A milder separation narrative [to Shanann]. Why kill them? The reasons that many commit such brutal crimes can be caused by issues such as: a breakdown of the family relationship (this was present in the Watts case) as well as tentative, past and current issues with access and parenting of the children; money issues (they also had a bit of financial hardships), possible mental illness is another reason. On August 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann in their Colorado home. He seems to be middle class, possibly depressed due to conflicts and internal struggles *possible psychological issues*, past violent behaviorhe seems like a silent passive-aggressive-explosive type that is unstable and unsteady. He is also reportedly back in touch with Kessinger, who changed her name after the murders, per Daily Mail. But I could be wrong. I am also wondering if he had some sort of a recreational drug usethe Oxy being given to SW by CW for the abortion could have been something from his own use for fun with NK?! Nickole Utoft Atkinson, Friend, and Colleague of Shanann Watts. So maybe he was just as obsessed with money as she was. She was making it very difficult for him to go through with a divorce. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. The Colorado woman's husband, Chris - a normally loving affectionate man - had become cold and distant. she captioned. As early as August 8th, Shanann confided in Cassie Rosenberg and Nickole Atkinson that her husband wanted a divorce [she didnt], but not right away. I need you to meet me halfway. It is the fear of being discovered, of having to change your life or give something up. Well, it may be because Shanann didnt want to, and thought she could sort of control Watts into not going through with it. This might have been in an attempt to just glaze over their issues and not answer truthfully but to answer with half-truths. At all. The Watts Family Murders became a talk of many talks and news shows; episodes of ABC News television news magazine 20/20, American talk show Dr. Phil, and The Dr. Oz Show featured the story of the massacre. I think chris felt tremendous pressure from the debt and third baby and family issues and feeling controlled and emasculated. Words have devastating consequences. Chris Watts: Complete Cast of Characters | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. I cant come back like this. Cheating is their hallmark. She was making it very difficult to admit to an affair. Where does the need to reinforce someones mistake come from? We can ALL agree (to some degree) that there was something off with CW and there is something we all cant seem to put our finger on when it comes to their relationship and they may have just simply been not good for each other, both with differing personalities, strengths, weaknesses and ways of handling life, setbacks, feelings, etc. But besides the reference above, from page 2106 of the Discovery Discovery documents, we also know that Shanann herself was openly discussing the prospect of divorce as early as March or April 2018, at least a month before she fell pregnant. For those who may be experiencing intimate partner violence from an abuser and were not certain that is the case here they are able to fit into a societal norm, the perfect family.. You dont consider others at all, nor think about others' feelings.. Have you ever broken up with someone and not felt bad about it? Its 2018, but in many families there is still shame associated with being a victim of domestic violence, and survivors often try to put a good face on the relationship, said Kim Gandy, president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence. Her first marriage lasted approximately the same amount of time. Ruth Glenn, president of the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, said social media allows for individuals to project a moment in time, versus the realities of their lives. Hammering away relentlessly. Thats what was so difficult to get out of. Chris Watts is a textbook Malignant-Covert Somatic Narcissist. Shan'ann thought - or hoped - the marriage was stuttering slightly. Chris initially cooperated with police and. She could barely handle the 2 monsters she had, another on the way, and Chris did a lot around the house to help out with the girls, meanwhile she had them in school that cost them 2K per month. Often that doesnt come across very popular, and some people dont like what they hear. Shanann Watts was born on January 10, 1984 in Clifton, New Jersey, USA. Can you imagine her as a single parent? They dont want family, friends or S/Os to know so they secretly go and get this done. I agree CBH. Obviously he came to this conclusion and carried it out. In November 2017, Shanann posted a video to her Facebook pageto celebrate their anniversary. He pleaded guilty on November 9, and his death penalty was not put forward on Shananns familys request as a part of the plea deal. There isnt a loss like it. Shanann Watts Brother Always Worried About Her and the Girls But Couldnt Protect Them, Days Before Murder, Chris Watts' Wife Shanann Was Worried: 'What If He Really Doesn't Love Me Anymore? Chilling photos show stained clothes Shanann Watts was wearing when she was murdered and buried in shallow grave by husband The clothing did not match what Shanann Watts was wearing in. I dont know who he is, she texted a friend on Aug. 7, 2018. The 34-year-old mother regularly posted updates on social media about . ", Weeks earlier, while she was in North Carolina visiting her family with daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, she wrote to Chris: l realized during this trip whats missing in our relationship! Do there was financial issues going on. Obviously Thrive was all BS and she was facing a pregnancy all by herself, flat broke and facing humiliation from her team/peers and raising kids by herself. Odd that when her marriage to King ran into trouble her behavior exactly mirrored that of Chris in the months before the murders: Not waning to engage in conversation, shutting down, withdrawing, physically distancing herself within the home, etc. If this information is available somewhere where I can access it can you tell me where? Shanann Watts, 34, posted the creepy image to Facebook on August 9 She appeared to think her daughters, ages three and four, posed the doll Shanann and the two girls were all killed days. Shanann thought or hoped the marriage was stuttering slightly. IMO they were talking divorce/separation for quite some time, possibly a year.>>>Agreed. What do you mean needed Chris to pay the bills- they both needed each other to pay the bills. Chris was working for Anadarko Petroleum Corp at that time and the couple had to pay a debt of $44800. For the kind of woman Shannon was, she wouldnt have just given up on her two children even if Chris had left. He wasnt emasculated by her, thats who he was before she came along. Shanann hiding her possible impending divorce, goes along with her living in denial as she does when she tells her Thrive clients that shes a better mother and all around human being because she wears a patch, eats the bars and drinks the shakes. Ive watched hundreds of hours of videos and read all the discovery on this case and I think some of what you write may be true but not all. He comes across as predatory and basic. This may sound strange but he could have done it to have them be with her in death. We also know that in the weeks prior Shanann was setting her husband up in her Thrive spiels as a great father and perfect husband and the best thing that has ever happened to her. The documentary investigates the 2018 crimes of Chris Watts, 35, who brutally killed his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, and their two daughters Bella, four and Celeste aged three. They may feel emasculated and when the marriage begins to fail, they lose control and parts of their own identitythis kind of melds into the CIVIL REPUTABLE killer when it comes to identity and it appears both CW and SW had their complete lives wrapped up in their family. No one just snaps, Glenn said. But the tense silence of pretending everything is fine is not healthy, or helpful. They argued and he strangled her. At TCRS we dont try to take anyones side, were just trying to figure out what happened. In an interview with Dr.Phil, Chris lawyer told how Chris killed his daughters. Im sure he brought up divorce many times, her Im not so sure. thats all she cared about period. To strangle your adorable toddler?? In Shananns mind she may have convinced herself it all had to do with the nut argument with his parents, then at the end of her life she may have gotten the message that he was cheating, but way way before that. I think he was motivated by the insurance money. You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Before drilling further into this question, we need to be clear about the difference between divorce and separation. It probably doesnt matter to those people that Shanann was controlling, and you raise a good point, did she internalize everything and wonder what she was doing wrong? It is hard to understand why Chris committed the violent acts. Days before Chris Watts murdered his wife, she sent chilling texts to a friend. That summer, Chris had gone from a loving husband to a cheater to a killer. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. Why is it assumed that Shannan is controlling and that Chris hated it? She had a brother named Frankie Rzucek. Why SW stayed in NC all that time is beyond me. She was the same way with her 1st husband. I love Chris! she wrote. You put up with 3 impatient, demanding women in the house, she wrote on Instagram in April. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. And if you dont, youre victim blaming. On August 16, the authorities discovered Shananns body buried in a shallow grave nearby, and the childrens bodies were found hidden in the oil tanks. THIS IS TOTAL LEFT FIELD.. There she is chatting merrily with her mother about how they may go to the Mediterranean next year and how the water is nicer other places theyve been. Shanann Watts and her younger brother, Frankie Rzucek, were raised in Aberdeen, N.C. Chris Watts is also from North Carolina, and he married Shanann Watts in the state back in 2010. Her first marriage/husband Discussion I'm interested in Shannan's first marriage. She started working as a human resource specialist at Childrens Hospital Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus, Aurora in 2013. She didnt break him. He seemed very distracted and disengaged. Shanann was too busy with her work, if you can call it that, juggling a mountain of debt, and living the high life that Chris Watts checked out of the marriage. On the day of his arrest, Chris was fired from his job. And yet we know while this was happening Shanann still wanted to do a gender reveal. Remains believed to belong to their two children were later found nearby. Thank you so much, Your email address will not be published. I never thought of Shanann possibly using these happy family videos with Chris before her death as a ploy to hang on to him or keep him from leaving. I think she emasculated Chris. Thats bad enough in private, in a marriage, imagine what it feels like to see that on social media from your partner. CW probably didnt believe he was good enough or thought he could do better. And they were his children too, not just shannons. But she didnt let up about it. What was their age difference if he met her while she was still in high school? Interesting points made here. Separating was sort of a trial one when she visited family for 5 weeks, and divorce was push coming to shove in Chriss mind to permanently change his life. It was reported that she made $80,000 a year. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. For anyone who questions if he did, think about losing your child. Grief is written on your face for the rest of your life. He was charged with five counts . Chris likes other people calling the shots. I know an ex wife who was getting very greedy and sued for more and lost because her ex could show he had no income by getting his employer to pay him in cash and lived on credit cards for a while. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. The only negative thing he had to say was that Chris was extremely quiet and that sometimes he would basically have to pry a response out of him. Coupled with his need to be dependent, the savior/hero and narcissistic (tendencies); he realized he was outmatched and probably felt claustrophobic, trapped, etc. By clicking Accept All Cookies, you agree to the storing of cookies on your device to enhance site navigation, analyze site usage, and assist in our marketing efforts. That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. Its absolutely ludicrous and I cant wrap my mind around it. Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant with the couple's son when Chris strangled her to death in their bedroom. It really isnt a good feeling at all to know you are expendable and vulnerable. People with less than 2 brain cells should not be allowed to comment on public posts. Photo: Facebook, Netflix I also think she used her physical hardships once again to play on his sympathies, sort of like a book of struggles, but he had already turned a deaf ear. Watts told Ann Meadows, the realtor, on the morning the disappearance that him and Shanann hadnt gotten on for over a year. The 34-year-old mother regularly posted updates on social media about her life in Frederick, Colorado, documenting her rise in the health and wellness world and gushing about her picturesque family. #ChrisWatts, A post shared by Nick van der Leek (@nickvdleek) on Jun 7, 2019 at 8:30am PDT. I dont think he seems like much of the lovey-dovey father/husband type. This explains why he had both female AND male secret lovers. We also know there was a lot of anger and bitterness, especially from Shananns side, over Nut Gate. To me he comes off douche-y, fake and spineless (I agree with Previous Poster)I dont think he has much of an identity for himself and lives much too much in his mind. There are family annihilation cases each year ~ but I heard that this one took the prize in victim blaming. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger.. Chris Watts ' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and daughters Bella and Celeste went missing on Aug. 13, 2018, after she missed a doctor's appointment. I can also see just a natural tendency for women to support another woman in a scenario where the man is cheating. Janny Free please dont call them little monsters they died but the hand of their father, and Bella was such a sweet little girl, and CeCe was younger she was still in toddler stageShe was gonna grow out of itNo matter what happened between these adults they didnt deserve to die, and neither did Shanann RIP Shanann and your 3 Angels Bella Celeste Nico , Janny didnt call them little monsters she was repeating what Shanann called them in one of her videos . I think she realized especially during her stay in NC that there was something very wrong and the change was likely permanent. It's no mystery, the Watts marriage was in trouble long before Shan'ann received that critical credit card alert on Saturday night, proving Watts wasn't at the Rockies Games, and suggesting he wasn't eating alone. No one has been able to fathom Chris Watts' motive - until now Two Face is available now exclusively on Amazon Kindle Unlimited. Interesting he says when things were not going well in their relationship, thats when she poured herself into work, out late, not coming home at all etc. My former brother in law once told me that he let his wife make most of their decisions. She was an independent representative for the multi-level marketing company Le-Vel. in the future. He committed to committing some of the worst offenses and then proceeded to act like it was no big deal. Just so sad. Shanann Watts' FIRST husband: Interview excerpts Thought-provoking videos 6.44K subscribers Subscribe 401 Share 22K views 2 years ago Everyone deserves to know the Truth: That "God is Love". Very charming outside but empty inside. You do so much everyday for us and take such great care of us. Chris was broken LONG before he met Shanann. I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. Didnt she say somewhere that Chris is the one who thought a third child, hoping for a boy, would help their marriage and then she mentions to people that he now thinks Bella and Celeste are enough? I have been there but sometimes you have to get a reality check. I guess what I cant get my mind around is how he moved from wanting out to strangling those little girls and his wife. To me inside he was a volcano just waiting to erupt. He also said so, and others said so too. 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